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Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat – 8/5/24

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2:00
Ben Clemens: Hey everybody, let’s get chatting
2:00
Ryan: Is Profar on a 1 million greenback deal one of many higher signings of the final decade?
2:01
Ben Clemens: Must be, proper?
2:02
Ben Clemens: Simply by way of return on funding or no matter, and looking out on the outcomes
2:02
Ben Clemens: Perhaps I’d choose signing Max Scherzer because the Nats or no matter, however Profar simply provides a lot worth
2:02
Nic: Ideas on Austin Wells? If this his true hitting and fielding degree, he seems like a star? No?
2:02
Ben Clemens: Undoubtedly sure
2:02
Ben Clemens: Now, it appears unlikely that that is his true degree
2:02
Ben Clemens: he’s hitting meaningfully higher on the main league degree than he did within the minors
2:03
Ben Clemens: I believe he’ll be a reasonably good defender, in all probability not the easiest within the sport or something, however fairly good
2:03
Appa Yip Yip: Has Vladdy lastly emerged because the Prince Who Was Promised?
2:03
Ben Clemens: I believe that was 2021
2:03
Ben Clemens: then he acquired demoted
2:05
Ben Clemens: or maybe he abdicated, I’m not fairly positive how royalty works
2:05
Ben Clemens: However I believe which you can take a look at Vlad as extra of an elite 1b than you possibly can have final yr
2:05
Oaktown Blues: Are you on the Lawrence Butler hype prepare?
2:06
Ben Clemens: I’m not precisely positive what the long run seems like right here
2:07
Ben Clemens: however the A’s have carried out a extremely good job of discovering fascinating gamers as they’re kinda dangerous
2:07
Ben Clemens: big credit score to them for that
2:08
Ben Clemens: I actually like what they’ve carried out round getting guys into positions to succeed
2:08
Ben Clemens: it makes the overall awfulness of the possession group extra annoying
2:08
Ben Clemens: I actually need to just like the A’s
2:08
Talfred: What is going to the ChiSox do with Benintendi after this season? Two straight years of detrimental WAR as he embarks on his 30s, with three years left on that comtract.
2:08
Ben Clemens: I imply, they’ll in all probability simply preserve plyaing him whereas he’s terrible
2:08
Colton: Masyn Winn’s enhancements this yr have been nothing wanting unimaginable IMO, particularly when you think about the outcomes from his cup of espresso final season. Do you suppose the Cardinals ought to attempt locking him as much as an extension now, just like what the Braves did with Albies and perhaps purchase out a yr or two of free company?
2:09
Ben Clemens: uh, I don’t suppose anybody ought to attempt to do one thing just like what the Braves did with Albies
2:09
Ben Clemens: that contract was simply kinda gross and raises inquiries to me about his illustration
2:09
Ben Clemens: there are many contracts that profit each crew and participant with out being so egregious
2:10
Ben Clemens: that mentioned, I do suppose that the Cardinals ought to discuss extension with Winn. It seems like there’s only a lot right here to love, by way of each how St. Louis likes to construct groups (protection first, notably up the center) and the way it seems like they actually need a homegrown expertise to stay after a number of idiot’s gold in recent times
2:11
Ben Clemens: I’m undecided what a deal would appear like, that’s in all probability a query for Dan Szymborski and the ZiPS extension prediction machine
2:11
Ben Clemens: however this seems like pairing
2:11
Phil: Wilyer Abreu has had a terrific yr in opposition to righties and defensively, and eventually hit a house run in opposition to a lefty final evening. Do you suppose perhaps he’s been a little bit underrated by the prospect of us? To me, proper fielder who performs in opposition to all righties and sure types of lefties is a extra invaluable participant than your typical platoon man, and he’s sustained a roughly 130ish WRC+ lengthy sufficient at this level that I’m skeptical of the projections that also have him at 100-110.
2:11
Ben Clemens: I believe that he’s positively underrated
2:12
Ben Clemens: that mentioned, the projections do job
2:12
Ben Clemens: like, he’s sustained a 130-ish wRC+ for…. 300 PA’s
2:12
Ben Clemens: 350 counting final yr
2:12
Ben Clemens: and it positive seems prefer it’s in a manner that feeds loads off of an unsustainable babip
2:12
Ben Clemens: like it may be true that he’s underrated and in addition…. properly I don’t suppose he’s gonna preserve slugging .520?
2:13
M’s Fan: Is Logan Gilbert underrated at this level?
2:14
Ben Clemens: Kinda laborious to determine how he’s usually perceived
2:14
Ben Clemens: I believe he’s the most effective gamers and most useful contract/participant combos in baseball
2:14
Ben Clemens: so positively not inside the sport. by followers, I’m not 100% positive iether manner
2:14
Appa Yip Yip: I believe the Acuña and Albies offers broke one thing in a number of followers’ brains as a result of too many individuals have unrealistic expectations about locking up each younger participant on their crew.
2:14
Ben Clemens: Yeah I agree with this
2:15
Ben Clemens: there are a lot of contracts that work for everybody
2:15
Ben Clemens: actually the Braves have signed a number of these
2:15
Ben Clemens: perhaps the Michael Harris II contract is a extra lifelike commonplace
2:15
Ben Clemens: whole lot for everybody, he absolutely left cash on the desk, however he traded that for loads of certainty and nobody is just too unhappy about it
2:17
Ben Clemens: these Albies/Acuna offers are simply not occurring anymore. the gamers are conscious that offers like that simply don’t work
2:17
Kwanbelievable: Do the Guardians have sufficient beginning pitching to carry on to the first total seed within the AL? I believe the Cobb deal was a stroke of genius, however uncertain if it strikes the needle sufficient
2:17
Ben Clemens: I believe it’s in all probability just a bit brief
2:19
Ben Clemens: which is okay so far as I’m involved
2:19
Ben Clemens: I believe they did a extremely good job of setting the crew up for fulfillment and in addition working inside themselves given a deadline that didn’t line up notably properly for them, by way of being starter-needy
2:20
Visitor: Reds, Cubs, Nats, Rangers:  All appear to be out of it this season; which crew has the very best hopes for the playoffs subsequent season?
2:20
Ben Clemens: in all probability the Rangers
2:20
Ben Clemens: I believed that the sheer quantity of pitching accidents of their projected rotation meant that they’d have bother hitting the playoffs this yr
2:20
Ben Clemens: That doesn’t change what I take into consideration their long-term trajectory, although: they’ve a bunch of fine gamers and a pleasant youth motion, they usually’re gonna spend
2:21
Ben Clemens: In addition they play in a division with the Angels and A’s, neither of whom are going to be nice subsequent yr
2:21
Sonny: Leaks about Manfred’s gag order round Oakland patrons appears weird. Didn’t the remainder of the league waive the relocation charge? What’s the level of all of this? Who believes any a part of MLB is healthier for Fishers possession?
2:21
Ben Clemens: I believe that attempting to determine what’s happening right here is an efficient method to drive your self loopy
2:21
Ben Clemens: i’ve completely no thought what the league is doing right here and I’m undecided they do both
2:22
Ben Clemens: There’s article up at BP about what would possibly really occur to drive FIsher out, btw
2:22
Derek: It’s fairly simple to crap on the Angels, however it really looks like they’re in a really bizarre spot. Clearly a perpetually injured Trout is sophisticated, however they’ve additionally acquired a pair actual foundational-looking items in O’Hoppe and Neto. Schanuel has been hitting a bit and Rengifo simply looks like he’s good now. Is their pitching to this point gone that you just simply commerce all of these guys ASAP and tear it down to begin over? Or is there sufficient there to attempt to go for a fast “reload” or no matter euphemism you favor? How does Trout issue into all this, both wholesome or injured?
2:22
Ben Clemens: I believe it relies upon what your purpose is
2:23
Ben Clemens: if you happen to’re attempting to construct a crew that makes the playoffs over some sustainable period of time, you must blow all of it up
2:23
Ben Clemens: tehre’s simply so little happening within the farm system, and in addition the massive league membership is 15 video games beneath .500 with these good foundational items (I like Neto greater than O’Hoppe however I agree they’re good)
2:24
Ben Clemens: We have now them lifeless final in farm system rankings, and we’re not alone in that. It is smart, they emptied all the things out final yr attempting to make one final run with Mike and Shohei
2:24
Ben Clemens: so like, it’s unlikely that issues will enhance organically
2:24
Ben Clemens: in case your purpose is simply to not be embarrassing whereas Mike Trout is in your crew, I’d in all probability preserve everybody younger and simply attempt to be respectable round him
2:25
Ben Clemens: actually depends upon what the crew desires to do, however I can not take a look at this roster and basic group and say ‘yep, they’re fairly shut’
2:25
bosoxforlife: I wish to give a shout out to George Kirby for his honoring Tim Wakefield with a gap pitch knuckleball in his latest begin in opposition to the Pink Sox.
2:25
Ben Clemens: Kirby appears actually cool along with being actually good, and this can be a good reminder
2:25
Shoeless Joe: Man, how did the White Sox get THIS dangerous?  Can’t they discover sufficient replacement-level gamers to play, you realize, replacement-level baseball?
2:25
Ben Clemens: you realize, shockingly sufficient, all of us sort of noticed this coming
2:26
Ben Clemens: this offseason I wrote an article particularly about how terrible the White Sox’ depth is
2:27
Ben Clemens: we checked out them going into the season after we have been taking a look at new methods of calculating depth and located one thing related:
2:27
Ben Clemens: mainly the higher minors simply don’t have substitute degree gamers
2:27
Ben Clemens: we knew this stepping into
2:27
Ben Clemens: their higher minors, particularly
2:28
Ben Clemens: They’ve had accidents ,they weren’t arrange properly to deal with them within the first place, they usually’re dangerous
2:28
Ben Clemens: this was really a foreseeable prepare wreck
2:28
John B: The comps on baseball reference says Nolan Gorman nonetheless was on a path to appear like Killebrew or Gaetti or Thome.  Ideas ?
2:28
Ben Clemens: my ideas are that these comps don’t all the time work that properly
2:28
Ben Clemens: and yeah, I don’t agree with that?
2:28
Choose: Choose has nearly caught future HOF Bryce Harper in WAR… and he began 5 years later.
2:28
Ben Clemens: It’s outrageous
2:30
Ben Clemens: I really feel like nobody can really respect it when it’s occurring
2:30
Ben Clemens: however we’re mainly seeing Barry Bonds 2.0
2:30
Jackson Holliday: What are you seeing totally different by me in my second stint?
2:31
Ben Clemens: provided that it’s been 5 video games I haven’t learn loads into it, and to be trustworthy I’ve been watching extra Olympics than baseball prior to now week
2:31
Ben Clemens: you solely get these as soon as each 4 years, and so forth
2:31
Ben Clemens: however man, what a aid for the O’s
2:31
C-Low: Do you suppose Orioles can come to an extension with Gunnar or has that ship sailed?
2:31
Ben Clemens: I’m positive they will, however till they signal at the least one extension it’s laborious to know what their plan is
2:32
Ben Clemens: so I’m betting in opposition to it for now
2:32
John B: If the pirates make the playoffs do you experience Skenes laborious and go for gold ?
2:32
Ben Clemens: I believe it’s as much as him
2:34
Ben Clemens: you’ll be able to’t make him do anytihng he doesn’t need to
2:34
Ben Clemens: however like, I assume he desires to and I assume the crew desires to
2:34
birds: If the Orioles provided the Witt contract to Gunnar you suppose he’d take it?
2:34
Ben Clemens: I’m undecided. I’d although
2:34
Ben Clemens: if I have been him, I imply
2:34
Ben Clemens: nice deal for either side with the decide outs, imo
2:34
Benjamin, J: What would it not take for Emmanuel Clase to win and/or deserve the AL Cy Younger?
2:35
Ben Clemens: I believe he’d have to convert to beginning…
2:35
Ben Clemens: I imply, unimaginable yr
2:35
Ben Clemens: however not Cy Younger worthy imo
2:35
André René Roussimoff: The White Sox being so terrible might have an upside in the event that they use the wretchedness to inventory the system with nice younger gamers for tomorrow à la the Orioles. Is that believable with the present possession and entrance workplace?
2:35
Ben Clemens: I believe they’re little doubt attempting to try this
2:35
Ben Clemens: let me provide the counterpoint…. we mentioned this in regards to the White Sox in 2016
2:36
Ben Clemens: they hit a bunch of trades about in addition to you’ll be able to hit them…. and acquired all the best way as much as low-end playoff competition
2:36
Ben Clemens: now they’re torching all of it once more with worse supporting forged
2:36
Ben Clemens: and with not nearly as good gamers as Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, and Adam Eaton
2:36
Ben Clemens: so, I don’t suppose that is gonna by some means find yourself higher
2:36
Derek: Any Olympic occasions you’ve been notably having fun with?
2:37
Ben Clemens: Oh man, I used to be ready for somebody to ask me this query
2:37
Ben Clemens: I like monitor and discipline, the 10k race was completely unimaginable. Archery was actually cool, fencing extra thrilling than I anticipated, a few of the swimming has been nice
2:39
Ben Clemens: have you ever seen synchronized diving? I can’t do something remotely in addition to these folks do the identical factor, collectively
2:40
Becoming: Far as I can inform the very best single season two participant WAR complete since integration is A-Rod and Griffey at 19.1. That is adopted by a bunch of Bonds And Good friend. There’s a fairly stable chane that Choose/Soto beats this, and I actually suppose it might be cool given that each one the duos above them performed when the 2 of them couldn’t. (Additionally true of any Griffey or Bonds duo, clearly.)
2:40
Ben Clemens: yeah, very cool
2:40
Ben Clemens: Michael Baumann’s article final week about this was superior
2:40
Invoice: Gotta love Summer season MacIntosh, 17 years previous and three gold medal, if we was in baseball she would have 13 extra nice yr
2:40
Ben Clemens: Katie Ledecky having the 20 quickest instances in 1500 free historical past can be outrageous
2:40
Ben Clemens: swimming isj ust cool
2:40
bosoxforlife: I do know Bobby Witt and Aaron Choose are nice and entrance runners for the MVP however I merely can’t get sufficient of the continued brilliance of Jose Ramirez. The Guardians haven’t any purpose to be the place they’re with out his nearly invisible greatness. Ignore the numbers and I see a participant with each high quality you’d need in a participant together with loyalty to his metropolis.
2:40
Ben Clemens: fully agree
2:40
Ben Clemens: I write about him fairly a bit and I all the time really feel mainly that manner
2:41
Ben Clemens: yearly within the commerce worth collection, a couple of crew folks shall be like ‘JRam that top? you positive?’
2:41
Ben Clemens: and that i’m like
2:41
TheJack20: If Royce is wholesome (huge if) the place does he rank amongst MLB third basemen? After Jose and perhaps Bregman I can’t discover many gamers I’d definitively say are higher.
2:41
Ben Clemens: I’d choose Austin Riley, Devers, Matt Chapman, and Jordan Westburg. I’d NOT choose Bregman tbh
2:42
Okra: I’m actually confused by the route the Rays took on the deadline.  Largely as a result of I believe Yandy Diaz and Brandon Lowe have been higher gamers to commerce away than Paredes given they weren’t solely shifting guys if the return was nice.  What are your ideas?
2:42
Ben Clemens: wrote about it final week, I didn’t suppose they did job given the targets they have been attempting to perform
2:42
Derek: I’d wish to shout out volleyball (indoor, although seashore can be cool and doubtless extra well-liked). Particularly now that they’re into the knockout rounds. The rhythm of buildup of pressure after which momentary respite is like baseball at 50x pace
2:43
Ben Clemens: indoor provides you a baseball really feel. seashore is extra improvisational, which I kinda like
2:43
Ben Clemens: I like that the Olympics are uncommon, I couldn’t deal with all these random sports activities yearly
2:43
Ben Clemens: however it’s actually a blast b/c you realize it’s gonna be gone so quickly
2:43
Mike Trout: Mike Trout 🙁
2:43
Ben Clemens: Couldn’t agree extra
2:43
Ben Clemens: simply actually unhappy
2:44
Matt: Any feedback on the Phillies latest slide?
2:44
Ben Clemens: I dunno, they didn’t actually really feel like the very best crew in baseball to me, and it’s a protracted season
2:45
Ben Clemens: nothing feels too loopy, I’m positive they’ll pull out of it
2:45
M’s Fan: a number of draft protection posited that m’s choose Cijntje can’t hack it as a lefty even half time due to his stuff (91-92, slurvy slider). Nonetheless the m’s actually presently have lefties on the 40 man and 26 man with related stuff (Saucedo). What’s with the scouting confidence right here that Cijntje can’t hack it?
2:45
Ben Clemens: a number of it’s that scouts wish to be assured
2:46
Ben Clemens: do you need to learn ‘in fact, the error bars on this participant are extraordinarily large. nobody thought paul skenes was the very best pitcher in baseball when drafted and it seems he’s, and spencer torkelson can’t hack it within the majors’
2:46
Soto: hey I’m actually having my finest season over right here
2:46
Ben Clemens: the Yankees are getting these two epic performances, and everyohne else is doing their finest to make them not depend, it’s sort of wonderful to observe
2:47
jj: Benintendi has the most important contract in White Sox historical past.  Merely wonderful
2:47
Ben Clemens: No feedback apart from that
2:47
Robbie314: Ought to I fear extra in regards to the each day fluctuations in my retirement account, or the each day fluctuations in my crew’s playoff chance?
2:47
Ben Clemens: nice query
2:47
Ben Clemens: in all probability retirement account
2:47
Ben Clemens: however in all probability don’t fear about both?
2:48
Theo be Praised: Is Michael Busch’s manufacturing sustainable?  30+ Ok-rate, doesn’t hit the ball that tough, but has a 127 wRC+….
2:48
Ben Clemens: I’m not an enormous believer
2:48
Ben Clemens: Form of a basic one, he doesn’t actually strike me a a .350 BABIP true expertise man as a result of he’s not a legendary creature or Ichiro
2:48
Ben Clemens: so like… in all probability that gained’t preserve occurring
2:48
bosoxforlife: Blake Snell has abruptly change into a really fascinating puzzle. He has 1 win however his final 2 begins have been unbelievable. What does he do? Take the choice or attempt free company and what is going to the GM’s do? This isn’t danger/reward, it’s nearer to success or suicide for the GM’s
2:49
Ben Clemens: the remainder of the yr is extra vital right here than on your common participant
2:49
Ben Clemens: it actually does monitor that he wasn’t prepared after which acquired harm immediately so the early-season stats are kinda suspect
2:49
Ben Clemens: however then there’s not a TON of pattern since then
2:49
Ben Clemens: he seems actually good when he’s on, no doub
2:50
Ben Clemens: I believe that he’ll find yourself opting out… however I additionally suppose that the subsequent two months matter greater than the season to this point on the subject of what he does
2:50
Ben (No wait, Matt): Who wins the AL West?  I really feel just like the Astros want Verlander again in an enormous manner, particularly with the McCullers and Garcia latest setbacks…
2:50
Ben Clemens: I believe the Mariners are gonna pull it out in the long run
2:50
Ben Clemens: that Houston pitching workers is simply…. I’m not seeing it
2:51
Ben Clemens: additionally Kyle Tucker is squarely trending in direction of not taking part in
2:51
Visitor: Ideas on the misplaced season from Vauhgn Grisson? Looks like a promising participant and the change of surroundings was good — then inuries.
2:51
Ben Clemens: Yeah, injured all yr
2:51
Okra: I really feel like Crochet saying he desires an extension earlier than pitching within the playoffs was an enormous deal.  1- i feel it tanked his commerce worth and 2- MLB gamers have by no means actually ‘held out’ or made such calls for.  What are your ideas?
2:51
Ben Clemens: I’d be shocked if it fully tanked his commerce worth
2:52
Ben Clemens: as a result of I believe a part of the attraction of getting Crochet is which you can get him to signal a couple of additional years at an inexpensive fee
2:52
Ben Clemens: now, perhaps he really had an enormous contract extension demand, that half I’m undecided of
2:52
Ben Clemens: however I believe that his demand is cheap given the extraordinary circumstances right here
2:53
Ben Clemens: he’s SO far above his earlier profession excessive in innings, and he wouldn’t be accustomed to the medical workers and managerial group of the crew he’s becoming a member of
2:53
Ben Clemens: I’d be shocked if this turns into the norm
2:53
Okra: Why does nobody even query the two% inflation goal?  It’s taken as gospel however why not 3%?  Or 2.5%?  And wouldn’t everybody moderately have a job and inflation at 2.8%, moderately than inflation at 2.2% and no job?  Not fairly that binary however ….
2:53
Ben Clemens: ha, enjoyable query and there’s planet cash about this
2:54
Ben Clemens: it’s actually sort of within the eye of hte beholder. why not 1%, even? the concept was to set a constructive fee in order that deflation was much less possible however shifting the goal round, perhaps even a 1-3% band or whatnot, feels simply as justified by the literature as a static goal
2:54
BlueJayMatt: Does Ross Atkins get one other yr or will this season’s utter failure lastly get him fired?
2:55
Ben Clemens: I believe that this yr might be gonna do it for him
2:55
Yosh Peck: Jarren Duran, nonetheless dangerous???
2:55
Chris: hey, anthony volpe’s prime 15 in battle!
2:55
Ben Clemens: I like Pink Sox and Yankees scorching takes
2:55
Doug: How do you see the NL Wild Card shaking out? The Braves going to carry on?
2:56
Ben Clemens: I believe the Braves, Mets, and Padres will find yourself in
2:56
Juan Soto: The place am I taking part in subsequent yr?
2:56
Steve O: That’s a little bit unfair to the opposite Yankees, isn’t it? I imply they’re tied for first place and have a number of different good gamers.
2:56
Ben Clemens: haha it’s positively unfair to the opposite Yankees
2:56
Ben Clemens: they’re an excellent crew
2:56
Ben Clemens: however, when you have got stars THAT starr-y, everybody seems worse compared
2:56
Ben Clemens: alright, I’ve to run, engaged on an article in regards to the worst pitches of the yr for tomorrow
2:56
Ben Clemens: have an incredible one, everybody
2:56
Ben Clemens: and watch some olympics!

 

Ben is a author at FanGraphs. He may be discovered on Twitter @_Ben_Clemens.

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